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  1. blaizar

    blaizar Member

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    Hi GM i don't know do u watch the games from the last weeks but i am watching and i only see everybody have many runes and no one sell nothing and why he should do it ? I am running many nithala.. cows , diablo's even ball but nothing good is droped only runes i find . From 2 weeks i am looking for shadow sk's with life but no one have no one sell , i try to find charms max dmg + life still no one have no one sell ... I try to collect only gems and to roll , rolling all day and finaly i rolled skiller and the skillar is warcry or combat barb or bow or summoning for dru (every with 30+life) but who needs them ????? WHY the drop is so lamee... How many years we must play to get full inv with good charms ? Items drop is the same i got like 200+nitha runs and only 1 shard (18% skill) that will be lower then ohm price... Please think about it and increase the drop of items , jewels and charms because many players are bored already like me . Don't lose more players the server is good but the drop sucks hard nothing we can do with so many runes when everybody is buying items . Thanks for the time and sorry for my bad English :)
     
  2. Coldet

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    Hi blaizar

    As with everything in the game you have to look in the right places.
    For example:
    1. The best place to find 15ed Mage Plate is Nightmare Tristram
    2. The best place to find clean skillers is in Nightmare act 3 Kurast chests

    Now to find Skillers with HP on them, that's a far harder proposition and that is the way it should be.

    Many people would re-roll the skillers. Me, I just farm High drop areas like Cows. BUT to avoid boredom I move around the areas a LOT. I also have many many characters with different builds.

    I am currently working on an Assassin that only uses Crafted, Rare or Magic gear. No runewords or Unique items. It has been a lot of fun, BUT also very frustrating at the same time.

    Good luck m8.
     
  3. blaizar

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    Thank you for the information only one thing i gonna say Diablo without trade's is no Diablo . I don't see any trades only u can see is "BUY" "Need" GL with the server . I don't see any reason to play any more this server . The drops for rare uniques are not 10x they are -10x
     
  4. Coldet

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    No problem m8. We wish you luck on your ventures. Have fun and come back soon.
     
  5. Bez

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    Easy way too get runes and build your chars is collecting keys jewels tokens and gems if your having no luck rolling sell them for runes build your runes inventory that way then buy some items and then try again its all about luck too each day is different good luck :)
     
  6. MrHammer

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    Did u try "O zod n shadow sk"?

    And about the drop, I see how you never played original battle.net THAT was lame drop. This is easy

    If getting perfect gear within first mothns of a long term ladder season was easy, wouldnt u be bored even sooner?
     
  7. Monarcha

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    IMO Blaizar have some right. Maybe it is not a problem with uniques drop but droprate at all. I spent last two week on MFing. I was killing almost everything worth to kill. I was doing 5-20 runs a day (bosses, superuniques, 85lvl areas, sparkle chests, and sometimes cows). And you know what? I found nothing valuable. But during 1 hour runefarming I can collect ~1-3 BER (it is unusual to gain more or less but still possible). So why should I MFing? If I'll find mithical Griffon or deathweb and I say I want 20 bers for it everyone will probbably deride me. But why?

    During one day of farming whth my poor blizz sorc I collected runes for infiniti (2BER+). During next two weeks I was rather mfing then farming runes with well equiped light sorc but I collected 3 BER runes, some worthless stuff and few nice charms (found or rolled). Last week as I said I was almost only MFing (My MF is ~460). Am I extreame unlucky? Maybe...

    Lets sum up what I learned during last month here: Just farm runes and gems (countruns, cows and nithla is best for me) find some high-lvl charms and buy rest from foolish noobs or pay a little more to proplayers that found something accidently during farming runes and dont need it (heppens). I think that is what most "pro-players" doing here. They are buing gems, jewels, even gold for runes to craft and rolling charms becouse only runefarming is profitable here till you can seek noobs. Trade system is quite broken here but only choosen ones know that and trying to keep prices. In the other hand. Do we want the server where average rarity unique is worth 10 BERs? Something is wrong here. Don't know why. Basic uniques are as commonthat they are worthless. Rare uniques are almost as rare like on original BN. Maybe not becouse it is as hard to find them but too many players just don't looking for.

    Even If I found something good I rather keep it for myself (maybe in the future I'll need it?) then sell. Why? Becouse probably rebuy similar item in future will take me weeks. Probably noone will pay me relevant price also. 3-5 BER is high price even if it is much harder to find the item then 10 BERs.

    My opinion? Droprate of rare uniques could be incressed but like MrHammer said - there must be items that are hard to find just to make ppl keep looking. Better choice for me is decrese rune droprate - it could return trade market to helth in long term and make it more clarified for newcomers. But there is still big problem with "uber-rich" players. I have no idea how to fairly remove excess of runes from game without reset ladder.

    Sorry for my english...
    regards for admins and other interested in topic.
     
  8. Coldet

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    Monarcha I hear what you are saying but I don't agree with much of it.

    Firstly I have seen similar situations on almost any game and almost any server I have played on. There are the guys that are "Traders" buying cheep and selling high. Guess what. That even happens in real life. So long as someone is willing to pay an exorbitant price that price will be maintained. The answer is simple. Set a price for yourself and NEVER pay higher than that, even if you can afford it. Don't get blinded by the "Traders".
    As an example: The generally accepted price for a clean skiller is Ohm. Light because of the HIGH demand we accept will be more expensive and we can accept that it would then sell for Lo. Under NO circumstances will I pay more than Lo. And there is not a single item on the server that I would even value enough to pay 3xBer for, let alone 10 or 15. AND believe me when I say I can afford it.
    So ignore the prices being asked. Pay what you feel the value should be and if the seller is not happy with your offer let him go scam some other sucker.

    As regards to your MF value. The normal "Blizzard" values can be thrown out the window on this server. (10xDrop rates) I generally run with a maximum of 100Mf but I often will switch my Shako for an Andariels just to remove that extra 50Mf.

    Also over the years on all D2 Servers I have played I have noticed a clear "Cycle" in drops. You can MF for weeks and not a single "Nightwings" will drop. Then all of a sudden the server is flooded with them. You can hunt high runes for days coming up dry then WAM everyone's finding high runes. Th trick is when you notice someone has hit Gold. That is exactly when you need to MF HARD.

    But you know. None of this is what concerns me. My concern is all the people that come on here at level 1, they want to be rushed all the way through Hell, they don't even need to ask for free gear. They then spend a day or two farming a bit and then they are done. Next Server/Next Game. What ever happened to "Playing the Game"? YES HELP people, BUT DO NOT help them to leave the game sooner by lashing out end game gear.
     
  9. MrHammer

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    Wow so u say, after 2months of a long term ladder, trade market is still not prepared to offer perfect high end equipment?
    good. And as I said before, go ahead and offer 3x the "normal" value, offer a zod for shadow sk life. You will see how people sell you.

    o_O So when u play 5 hours straight u get 10 Ber aproxx? lemme come with you lol.

    ???

    The only items worth 10Ber+ At the moment in server are total perfect runewrords or total perf high end items.

    SO- If you are trying to make a point here, try to type some facts not random info.

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    The only realistic way I see to solve the issue you see is make the runes be able to leave the economy somehow (other than via runewords).

    Been burned in cube would be a possible solution, imagine something like Ber+GC= Random+1Skill +Hp (1-45Life)

    You get the idea, give runes a new use that makes them leave the economy.
     
  10. Coldet

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    Now that's an Idea I could live with. Pity no further changes are likely to be made.
     
  11. Bglzaborg

    Bglzaborg I'm not BG Forum Legend

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    the real problem is, everybody wants for example a full inv of 3/xx/15-20 charms. ofc the market cant satisfy those high claims.
    so lower your claims and use (based on my example) 3 max xx ar charms without life.
    since you know nobody has a perf inv full of perf charms, you can fight against them with no problems.
    this is not bnet where you can bot/dupe etc. so you cant get total perf eq within a week.
    me for example, i stopped doing nihla runs after i found out i only get shit. nowadays i farm areas (chaos,wsk etc.) with my java. i pick up gems etc, reroll rare diadems(6 perf skulls) which i gamble and so on.

    /e
    dont forget; you can always replace those 3max/ar charms for some better when u find/trade!!!! thats how i think about the mfing/trading here.
     
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  12. Monarcha

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    Yes. I need about one hour to drop BER+ from countess runs. It is boring but productive. I needed 4-6 hour to drop runes for infinity with blizz sorc (coutess and her guard have immune for cold). Now i'm much faster with light sorc.

    As I said. No one will pay this price even if it is much easier to find 10BER+ then drop (for me) exact item I need to find (unique death web or arahnid web).

    You want facts? I can't send you screenshots or something like this but during my playtime on this server I found more then 5 BER runes and only find or make 3 realy valuable items (BER+) while was contre on MFing rather then rune/gem farming. If I turn things round I could gain 20+bers and one or none rare unique item. I'm asking again: Is this a point to mfing here? For me nope. Only thing that force me to mfing is conviction that noone will sell me what I need and I must find it own.

    As I said there are meny items that are worth more then 10 bers for me but there is no one who will pay this price. It is to easy to farm runes and demand from other to farm items. You wont change my mind. I was testing many scenerio and it is easiest way to get reach. Just seek noobs that are disposed to sell valuable items.


    I like your idea but it should be connected with lower runedrop from countess (20% or a little more). Now average 10 countess runs give me gul-vex and cow/wsk/chaos run gives me ~ist (sometimes nothing but sol/shael). Both takes me similar time.
     
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    Do you have any idea how many people bitch that high runes are too hard to find? In the past year, You are probably THE ONLY person that has complained that rune drops are too high.
     
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    I will post my opinion as opposition that i would prefer more server with 5-10 lower unique rate drop then regular battlenet diablo 2 and rune drop same as 1.11 so finding griffon would be like 4x40hp skilers...
    But agree rolling gems can be boring because u have to put 3 times gems roll it to perfect and then put all 4 items.. wich is tedious annoying pretty much work not fun.. i alrdy gave idea how to fix it but dont see any response.. Would love rolling if i could put grand charm with any qualify of gem and roll..
     
  15. Bglzaborg

    Bglzaborg I'm not BG Forum Legend

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    compared to bnet its easy to make perfect gems here. everyone is too lazy :)
     
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  16. blaizar

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    " Ber+GC= Random+1Skill +Hp (1-45Life)" this is very good idea because u can get many useless skillers like bow , summon dru and etc , or to get some fire sk with 15 hp that wont be worth it ber
     
  17. chlebo

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    No way bro that would screw economy and most of all pvp totaly.. melee chars would have further disadvantage to builds that rely on skill number additional 19 skilers... no thanks and what about rerolling small charms.. that s further disadvantage for melee

    Up to my research drop from countess isnt 1ber in hour but much less.. stil could be decreased by 33% and thereafter it would be very balanced... after all we dont know exacly what is the ratio 1-10 of regular monsters across game, means how much was it buffed from regular diablo 2.

    Only reasonable idea is making nithlak/baal drop only magic gc but that s could be hard to code.
    And with this change ofcourse there should be new recipe 2 pg + small charm = reroll to balance things out
    This moment very rare nithlak/baal gc cost 1 ber. Very few are lucky to use them
    With those changes roling gc sks would be double efficient for 36-45hp and 1.5 faster for small charm.
     
  18. JackTheRipper

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    lol yeahh highest rune i found is Jah and best item i found is Coa after 2 months now and im already bored of mf runs trying to find viel of steel deaths fathom hydra bow sacred armour etc so yeahh...lets not lower anything and just leave it lol some people get stupid rich fast because they're simply lucky and some don't or just take a looonnngg time. way easier than bnet no doubt but i have a job and things to do so x10 is awesome in my books. i learned i just have to run with literally no mf or just under 100 to find better things. 450+ was wayy too much.
     
  19. Bglzaborg

    Bglzaborg I'm not BG Forum Legend

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    to search for elite uniques/high runes only is definitely the wrong way to get rich.
    just an example from my experience to make clear what i mean:
    i just started to play hc from zero. after about 20 hours playing time, the best rune i found was ohm. elite unique? not a single one ofc. but what i did is simple, i cubed a few times got some crap sks but then i cubed a light sk with 29 hp, which i sold for 2 bers. since then i couldnt find any good items again. BUT to get easy runes, farm keys,gems. this is a safe money maker :)

    oh and another point that may helps you, if you realise you dont find any good items, go ahead and change your mf areas.
     
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