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Guide Crafting: short and easy

Discussion in 'Guides' started by MadVisions, Sep 13, 2016.

  1. ameth

    ameth Senior Member

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    So back to the question: does item level matter anything to the number of affixes on the diadem after rerolling?

    Please, check post #8 here.

    If item level matters anything, why, and how?
     
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    sphinx25 Well-Known Member

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    I will try to come up with a more elaborate answer tomorrow. For now, go on Inayat's hand and trust that diadems can get any affix available in the game.
    One small addition for now: rare items can get minimum 4 and maximum 6 affixes.

    LE: rerolling (with pgems or pskulls, as in the case of diadems) is different from crafting, just to sort things straight.
     
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  3. ameth

    ameth Senior Member

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    I hope, that "tomorrow" comes soon :)
     
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    sphinx25 Well-Known Member

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    First, an apology: sorry I didn't make it to post the reply, but let's say that some things didn't go as planned.
    Second, a correction: I stated that a rare item can get min 4, max 6 affixes; I was wrong, the minimum is 2, as per "official", and 3 as per a respectable D2 fan site, not 4 (I know it sucks, but hey, let's aim for 6, shall we? :) ). From game experience, it's min 3, max 6.
    Third, the "body of evidence" promised.
    To your question
    Here's how affix level (alvl) is calculated:
    Code:
    When an item is generated that has prefixes the alvl is calculated* from ilvl and qlvl as follows:
    If (ilvl>99) then {ilvl=99}
    if (qlvl>ilvl) then {ilvl=qlvl} ;** see note below
    if (magic_lvl>0) then {alvl=ilvl+magic_lvl}
          else
               { if (ilvl<(99-qlvl/2))
                  then {alvl=ilvl-qlvl/2}
                         else {alvl=2*ilvl-99}
    }
    If (alvl>99) then {alvl=99}
    
    *all calculations use integers so there are no fractions at any step.
    ** this new ilvl value is only used for the duration of this calculation. The ilvl value that is stored in the items data file will remain unchanged.
    (I hope I got the code indentation right, changes are mine to make it more readable)
    Diadems have a Qlvl of 85 and a mlvl (magic level) of 18.
    Now, when using the 6 pskull cube transmute formula, here's how the calculation is done:
    Code:
    ilvl = int(.4 * clvl) + int(.4 * ilvl)
    And now, let's go into a practical calculation, when rerolling a rare diadem with ilvl 85 (dropped in a lvl 85 area), with a char level 92. Using the formulas above, you can do the calculations yourselves, for different values (although you will see that there's no point :) ).

    First roll: (new) ilvl = .4 * clvl (92) + .4 * ilvl (85) = 23 + 21 (we use only integers) = 46
    qlvl (85) > ilvl (46) ? Yes. Then we have ilvl = qlvl = 85; and then alvl = ilvl (85) + mlvl (18) = 103, "rounded down" to 99, so any affix in the game can spawn on the item.
    Second roll: (new) ilvl = .4 * clvl (92) + .4 * ilvl (46) = 23 + 11 = 36
    For affix level, same calculations stand, so again (and forever more) alvl stays at 99
    Third roll: (new) ilvl = .4 * clvl (92) + .4 * ilvl (36) = 23 + 9 = 32
    Fourth roll: (new) ilvl = .4 * clvl (92) + .4 * ilvl (32) = 23 + 8 = 31
    Fifth: (new) ilvl = .4 * clvl (92) + .4 * ilvl (31) = 23 + 7 = 30
    Sixth: (new) ilvl = .4 * clvl (92) + .4 * ilvl (30) = 23 + 7 = 30
    Obviously, from this roll forward, the result will stay at 30. However, the result we care most for is the affix level, which always stays 99 for diadems, because of its high qlvl and mlvl.
     
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  5. hyperbox

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    Question on Crafting:
    Context:
    Based on desired mods, I want Ilvl 74-76 rings
    So I use Lv93 char and rings ilv56-60
    Does the Ilvl have any impact on the value roll of the mods?
    Would I get higher rolls on higher Ilvl rings?
     
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    Angeloffaith Grail Done Supporter

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    its based on ilvl and char lvl

    so if ring ilvl 76 and char lvl 93 might be around ilvl 80-82
    Use a lvl 80 char u should get your roll ilvl but its always a gamble
     
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    Atox Senior Game Master Moderator

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    If you need the mods from 74-76 ring then you should use that ilvl of rings not lower, also a better explanation is provided here http://forum.europebattle.net/threads/crafting-handbook.541278/
     
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    sphinx25 Well-Known Member

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    Both Clvl and ilvl play a role in the outcome. The mods of the crafted item are randomly selected from what is available for the resulted item.
    Quote from the crafting guide posted by Inayat: (1) ilvl = int(.5 * clvl) + int(.5 * ilvl)
    So your calculations are correct, using ilvl 56-60 rings and a 93 lvl char will produce crafted rings with ilvl 74-76. But there is another approach, which I strongly suggest: level a char to 75 and use it only for crafting these rings.

    And to your last question, the answer is yes, and this opens up higher req mods, so controlling input will restrict the output (rest is luck).
     
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  9. hyperbox

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    Legend
    clvl = character level
    ilvl = item level of magic item (craft resource)
    Ilvl= item level of crafted item

    Using lv93 char and lv56 ring gives Ilvl 74 based on the formula
    93/2 + 56/2
    46 (rounded down) + 28 = 74
    So the question is, by rolling lv74 rings, is it more probable to get higher rolls (20 str for example) on theese lv74 rings or should I craft higher Ilvl rings?

    I am. I'm getting Ilvl 74-76 on the rings crafted since 93/2 + 56/2 = 74.
    Or are you saying to use a higher craft resource (ilvl 80+) and a lower clvl for better results?

    Thanks for such quick replies!!

    Edit:
    I think this answers my question.
    Higher Ilvl will result in more variables but higher values.
    Will do some testing and share results if able.

    So far I've crafted about 30ish+ rings using above mentioned variables and have gotten low rolls, highest being 12 str. But have gotten 15 dex (max). But values are low in general.

    Thank you all.
     
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    bolzer Senior Member

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    sorry for stupid question but with character level 95 which item lvl magic rings i need to get max affixes with max roll of that affixes ?
     
  11. Chudovische

    Chudovische Active Member

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    gamble and craft rings with lvl 80-82 character only
     
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